Man I'm really starting to hate this socialist country. Everything I loved about the United States is going to hell. You spend 7 years of your life going through med school, collect $180k in debt, and the guy who is supposed to be making your country prosper knocks $50-70k off your salary and acts like your selfish for being pissed about it. Not to mention the trillions of dollars about to be spent on this thing yet the govt will only collect about 1/10 of what gets spent a year in taxes... even with the penalty mandat being upheld. How can we afford this? this is social security part two! what a joke this current administration is! I think if we're talking fairness then they should waive half my student loans because UAB bases there tuition off of potentail earnings essentially. I'm slightly pissed.
Just ranting... I hope the republicans win, not sure if anything will be done about this bill though.
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Originally posted by bama3030:
Man I'm really starting to hate this socialist country. Everything I loved about the United States is going to hell. You spend 7 years of your life going through med school, collect $180k in debt, and the guy who is supposed to be making your country prosper knocks $50-70k off your salary and acts like your selfish for being pissed about it. Not to mention the trillions of dollars about to be spent on this thing yet the govt will only collect about 1/10 of what gets spent a year in taxes... even with the penalty mandat being upheld. How can we afford this? this is social security part two! what a joke this current administration is! I think if we're talking fairness then they should waive half my student loans because UAB bases there tuition off of potentail earnings essentially. I'm slightly pissed.
Just ranting... I hope the republicans win, not sure if anything will be done about this bill though.
Just be glad you're not the President! All the "bucks stop" at his desk. Regardless of the good-natured intent of new policy, someone will always get the short end of the stick.
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Originally posted by bama3030:
Man I'm really starting to hate this socialist country. Everything I loved about the United States is going to hell. You spend 7 years of your life going through med school, collect $180k in debt, and the guy who is supposed to be making your country prosper knocks $50-70k off your salary and acts like your selfish for being pissed about it. Not to mention the trillions of dollars about to be spent on this thing yet the govt will only collect about 1/10 of what gets spent a year in taxes... even with the penalty mandat being upheld. How can we afford this? this is social security part two! what a joke this current administration is! I think if we're talking fairness then they should waive half my student loans because UAB bases there tuition off of potentail earnings essentially. I'm slightly pissed.
Just ranting... I hope the republicans win, not sure if anything will be done about this bill though.
At least you didn't major in English...
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so move
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He shouldn't have to. He should have the choice and not required to buy health insurance.
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Socialist country - we have public education, social security, medicare
and medicaid...all social programs that redistribute wealth. Are you
saying we should do away with all those?
And, based on your post and educational background, I assume you will turn out just fine. $180k in debt is only slightly above average these days, and with your degree, you will have a lot easier time paying it off. It is not a perfect world, and there are a lot of hard working people (not free loaders) who are suffering. Look at it this way - from a quality of life perspective, you are in the top 1% of people who have EVER lived on this planet. If you work in a hospital, they will most likely not have to write off as much bad debt now, so maybe they can give you a raise.
I also think this will be a way to kick start more small businesses and make them more competitive. A lot of people stay at jobs they hate because of insurance benefits. Under this law, they will be able to afford comparable care and go get another job and/or start their own business, without worry of losing coverage. No law is perfect for everyone.
This post was edited on 6/28 10:20 AM by Holt Ironman
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Originally posted by Holt Ironman:
Socialist country - we have public education, social security, medicare
and medicaid...all social programs that redistribute wealth. Are you
saying we should do away with all those?
And, based on your post and educational background, I assume you will turn out just fine. $180k in debt is only slightly above average these days, and with your degree, you will have a lot easier time paying it off. It is not a perfect world, and there are a lot of hard working people (not free loaders) who are suffering. Look at it this way - from a quality of life perspective, you are in the top 1% of people who have EVER lived on this planet. If you work in a hospital, they will most likely not have to write off as much bad debt now, so maybe they can give you a raise.
I also think this will be a way to kick start more small businesses and make them more competitive. A lot of people stay at jobs they hate because of insurance benefits. Under this law, they will be able to afford comparable care and go get another job and/or start their own business, without worry of losing coverage. No law is perfect for everyone.
This post was edited on 6/28 10:20 AM by Holt Ironman
Where to start? First Obamacare has the program taking $500 billion out of Medicare (and the Dems are the ones saying the Repubs want to take away seniors medicare). We shouldn't get rid of the other entitlement programs like social security and medicare but we damn well better make changes.
When SS first began in FDR's presidency, life expectantcy was somewhere around 75 yrs meaning you'd get SS checks for 10 yrs before you kick it. Now of course people live much longer which puts more people in the cart for others to pull. Something else, we need to severely crack down on SS fraud.
Before Obama got into office 1 out of 12 was on food stamps, now its one out of 7. The admin is now spending $3 million on advertising to use food stamps. Thats insane. They want dependents. Then they'll have control.
Emplyers don't know how Obamacare will effect their businesses SO they're not hiring until they know whats going on. Remember Nancy Pelosi saying "we need to pass it so we can see whats in it". When the admin gave the CBO the numbers to work with to let the country know the program won't cost over a trillion. The numbers they gave was 10 years worth of taxes for 6 years worth of services. If the data is garbage going in then you'll have garbage going out. They gave those numbers so the masses would see it didnt go over a trillion. They bank on the notion that the masses don't pay attention to the details.....sadly, most of the time they're right.
This post was edited on 6/28 11:41 AM by Ttide
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Ttide -
There is a lot of info in your post And, a lot of legitimate issues. But, my question is what are the answers to this complicated problem? We spend more on healthcare than any other country yet we have more people die from curable illnesses. More importantly, how can a country stay strong when the trend is that the majority of its people are slipping toward being uninsured since healthcare cost are rising astronomically. What is the breaking point before it is a national crises - 50% of population uninsured ? 60% percent? Even those that have insurance often go without care because they don't have $35-$50 deductible to take themselves or their kids. The system isn't perfect, but today is a good step toward overhauling what most people (republican or democrat) consider to be a broken system. We can all debate why it is broken, but does it really matter the cause. It needs to be fixed or a whole bunch of people will suffer.
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Originally posted by Holt Ironman:
Ttide -
There is a lot of info in your post And, a lot of legitimate issues. But, my question is what are the answers to this complicated problem? We spend more on healthcare than any other country yet we have more people die from curable illnesses. More importantly, how can a country stay strong when the trend is that the majority of its people are slipping toward being uninsured since healthcare cost are rising astronomically. What is the breaking point before it is a national crises - 50% of population uninsured ? 60% percent? Even those that have insurance often go without care because they don't have $35-$50 deductible to take themselves or their kids. The system isn't perfect, but today is a good step toward overhauling what most people (republican or democrat) consider to be a broken system. We can all debate why it is broken, but does it really matter the cause. It needs to be fixed or a whole bunch of people will suffer.
Several things can be done. Open up the interstates where healthcare insurance can be obtained across statelines. Another is have sincere tort reform. Malpractice is a huge drain on affordable costs. Give various tax benefits for the healthcare industry in order to give as affordable healthcare as possible......but let that be the max that the government is involved in. Let free market competition take over from there.
As far as the 40 million uninsured, you've got 12-15 million of those as illegal immigrants.....nobody likes to bring that fact up because that would be politically unpopular. The remaining uninsured will be covered by medicade. Is it the best care possible? No, but it does reflect a free market economy. The better you can compete in the economy, the more you'll be rewarded.
Thats the way its always been until the current admin began to divide the country by way of class warfare. This the most divisive administration I've ever seen in my lifetime. They're following the playbook of socialist Sal Linsky of "divide and conquer".
This is Robin Hood with a twist. The fable had a rogue hero stealing the king's revenue and giving it to the poor. Now we have a "King" stealing from the middle class and giving it to the ones that won't work or who are here illegally.
This post was edited on 6/29 9:27 AM by Ttide
This post was edited on 6/29 9:29 AM by Ttide
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According to the Harvard Medical school, all costs associated with medical malpractice litigation amount to less than one percent of healthcare costs, and only a fraction of the costs to society associated by botched surgeries and other examples of poor medicene.
As it stands now, most states have passed restrictions on malpractice case so bad doctors are already getting a pass. Thousands of legitimate medical negligence cases are simply not being pursued now because of the restrictions imposed by laws of the various states. Injured patients and their families are left without recourse.
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Beautiful, but we need to go futher.
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As a small business owner I do not have the answers nor do I pretend to understand all of the new policy. I do know the rules that are in place today make it tough for a small business owner. I cannot attain a group policy if 75% of my full time employees do not accept the insurance .... we have 5 full time employees 4 must accept or we cannot have a group policy. I agree to pay 75% of the cost but many young people will say ... not interested. They consider a full time employee anyone that averages over 25 hours per week. The rule forces me to keep some people that would like to get 30 hours a week limited to 25 a week.
Time will tell how this impacts me ... but my CPA said he thinks it will cost us more. He has a small firm and faces some of the same problems.
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Originally posted by 1750:
According to the Harvard Medical school, all costs associated with medical malpractice litigation amount to less than one percent of healthcare costs, and only a fraction of the costs to society associated by botched surgeries and other examples of poor medicene.
As it stands now, most states have passed restrictions on malpractice case so bad doctors are already getting a pass. Thousands of legitimate medical negligence cases are simply not being pursued now because of the restrictions imposed by laws of the various states. Injured patients and their families are left without recourse.
You've got to be a malpractice attorney. Fear of malpractice suits drives the cost of medical care high due to the number of unnecessary tests. Get real....Tort reform is needed for real diminution in health care costs. |
Bud, perhaps you should get your information from Harvard instead of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbough. The costs of medical malpractice litigation is nothiing compared to the cost of treating patients who have suffered the ravages of bad medical care.My family has suffered the tragedy of negligent doctors twice in my life, including a death, so I don't have a lot of good feelings about proponents of defenders of bad doctors through tort reform.
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Originally posted by Addie:
Originally posted by 1750:
According to the Harvard Medical school, all costs associated with medical malpractice litigation amount to less than one percent of healthcare costs, and only a fraction of the costs to society associated by botched surgeries and other examples of poor medicene.
As it stands now, most states have passed restrictions on malpractice case so bad doctors are already getting a pass. Thousands of legitimate medical negligence cases are simply not being pursued now because of the restrictions imposed by laws of the various states. Injured patients and their families are left without recourse.
You've got to be a malpractice attorney. Fear of malpractice suits drives the cost of medical care high due to the number of unnecessary tests. Get real....Tort reform is needed for real diminution in health care costs.
Addie, you're right of course. Worth saying again........"Fear of malpractice suits drives the cost of medical care high due to the number of unnecessary tests"
1750, you telling Addie you'd listen to Harvard before Beck or Limbaugh isn't as accurate as you think. Harvard Medical can't possibly factor in the "fear factor" in driving the costs higher. I'll tell you another thing, I'd listen to Beck or Limbaugh before I'd listen to a President constantly telling the country the mandate isnt a tax and then have his attorneys tell the SC it is a tax. Thats nothing short of lying.
This post was edited on 6/29 9:32 AM by Ttide
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Has anyone mentioned that illegal immigrants get more free crap from our country than it's citizens? Free health care, free education, free food, and just about anything else you can think of. Obama wants to give them more crap and citizenship because he needs their vote. All he cares about is staying in power to finish the transformation to be like Europe. Europe is not that great folks. The average age of first time home buyers in Europe is 37, while it's 24 in the USA. He freaking hates America, but the Democrats don't care because he wears their team colors. He isn't a democrat, but he had to pretend he is one to get elected. Heck, he could rape little kids on TV and his supporters would say it's OK, the only reason people don't agree with him is because they are racists. I say if you support him you are either a racist or just stupid.
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